Jlcpcb and tariffs

my understanding is the de minimus change only effects china and hong kong. As long as your tayda order is under 800$ the tariff changes should have no effect.

Again this my understanding and maybe some wishful thinking !

But what ive read is its on hold for china/hong kong until systens are in place. And other countries possibly after.
 
my understanding is the de minimus change only effects china and hong kong. As long as your tayda order is under 800$ the tariff changes should have no effect.

Again this my understanding and maybe some wishful thinking !

But what ive read is its on hold for china/hong kong until systens are in place. And other countries possibly after.
My order made it through customs today, apparently without a tariff. My total for the order was about $500.
 
Hey everyone, new to the forum. A lot of posts saying various things about who's affected by what. I'm going to summarise the situation so everyone is on the same page.

Tariffs are imposed on goods based on country of manufacture. So whilst Tayda is in Thailand, presumably a good chunk of their inventory is made in China. So going forward, it may become a case of carefully checking your order to ensure that you haven't picked anything produced in China. Remember that none of this matters for orders under $800 until May 2nd, when the de minimis exemption, for China & HK specifically, is ended.

As a motivating example, if you have a $100 order, but accidentally picked $0.50 worth of resistors that were made in China, then after May 2nd, that $0.50 is liable for import duties and tariffs upon entry into the US. The duties/tariffs themselves would total very little - for simplicity lets say they come to another $0.50. So your current order total is $100.50.

But because Tayda ships with UPS, UPS will charge a flat rate processing fee, which anecdotally is around $20-30. As far as I'm aware there's no courier that won't charge this fee (although the amount will vary slightly between them), except potentially USPS? Others may have better info.

So even though you're only liable for $0.50 worth of actual duties/tariffs, the fact that any part of your order had to be tariffed has incurred the massive (relative to total order) processing fee. The larger the order, the more this fee is amortized across the entire order value. I don't know this for certain, but it's definitely possible a $5000 order also incurs a $30 fee, at which point the $30 is a small fraction of the total order value rather than ~30%. Some on this forum may be able to speak to whether the processing fee on large order values is bigger or not.

Anyone who was making orders >$800 already will only see a difference in the import fees owed - they were already above the de minimis threshold anyway and so they were already incurring the processing fee and paying (lesser) duties/tariffs. That's why removal of de minimis only really affects the hobbyists or very nascent businesses; many businesses were already ordering enough to breach the threshold.

So if you're able to order all non-Chinese goods from Tayda (or else if Tayda lies about country of manufacture) going forward, you will, for the time being, be able to take advantage of de minimis, which will still be in place for everywhere except China & HK after May 2nd. However, Trump has said he intends to remove de minimis entirely - that is, once "systems are in place", you will not be able to import anything at all without incurring duties (even if tariffs are reduced to 0%).

As a final note, there are some things that were affordable to hobbyists only really by virtue of specific Chinese manufacturers. Thinking specifically of prototype-quantity custom PCBs a la JLCPCB or PCBWay. The removal of de minimis will mean that what might've been a ~$20 (inclusive of shipping) order for 5 PCBs will now become a ~$60 order, because of processing fees. It might begin to make OSH Park competitive, but OSH Park is around $8/pc min cost and PCBWay/JLCPCB could be as low as $1/pc, so even with fees they might be cheaper, just much more expensive than previously. It's a real shame.

I _don't_ know whether using the cheap shipping option (Global Standard/Direct Shipping) on JLC/PCBWay means they hand over to USPS at the border. If it does, you might be able to avoid the processing fees from a courier service, but remember, removal of de minimis for China means you still have to pay duties/tariffs, which soon might be more than 100% (given the rhetoric from the administration).

Conclusion

Tariffs are imposed on country of manufacture. De minimis for China & HK ends May 2 and may affect orders even though you made them with a non-Chinese supplier, because so much is manufactured in China. Import fees for a package are evaluated at the point it reaches the border, so even if you _order_ before May 2nd, if your package arrives at the border on or after that date, you'll have to pay fees. Up until May 2nd, if your order is less than $800, you shouldn't have to pay any fees.

The administration has expressed intent to remove de minimis for all countries. So even though it might be possible to order from Tayda without incurring fees after May 2nd, a few months from now that may not be the case.
 
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As far as I'm aware there's no courier that won't charge this fee (although the amount will vary slightly between them), except potentially USPS? Others may have better info.
I've never been charged any sort of brokerage fee by USPS, but USPS has never been an available shipping method for any order large enough to have duties owed. I believe the maximum declared value for First Class International is $400, I'm not sure about priority mail.

I don't know this for certain, but it's definitely possible a $5000 order also incurs a $30 fee, at which point the $30 is a small fraction of the total order value rather than ~30%. Some on this forum may be able to speak to whether the processing fee on large order values is bigger or not.
I haven't noticed a difference in the processing fee regardless of the order amount. I do believe it will increase with the number of unique HTS line items on the customs form, but my orders are typically a single line item.

I _don't_ know whether using the cheap shipping option (Global Standard/Direct Shipping) on JLC/PCBWay means they hand over to USPS at the border.
It looks like it cleared customs before being handed off to USPS.

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Skimming over this thread (we're now approaching 100 posts) I'm wondering if anyone has actually gotten slapped with these new charges other than Robert. I've got a Tayda order I'm looking to pull the trigger on (~$50 with shipping) and am wondering if I should look elsewhere.
I have, but not as bad. Came out to about 30% of the declared value on a JLCPCB order. I have a couple more in process right now, we'll see what happens.


I've never been charged any sort of brokerage fee by USPS
UPS is the only carrier that has charged me brokerage fees. I had a reasonably large PCB order a few months ago that I carefully kept under the $800 limit, but I got a letter from UPS informing me that while there were $0 of customs duties due they were still charging me a $40 brokerage fee. I forgot to pay it until a few weeks ago, and I got a letter yesterday charging me a $22 late fee :rolleyes:
 
While I think the results suck DONKEY DONG, I appreciate everyone for sharing what they have come across. As a hobbyist/occasional builder for others it’s makes it hard to plan costs with all the volatility. Luckily I have a lot of inventory to get me through for a while but I am not looking forward to rolling the dice on my next Tayda (love them and their service) order or PCBway order (also very pleased with the service!).
 
didn't the majority of you guys in the US vote for this?

It will not let me post that GIF of Homer Simpson backing into a hedge, so you're just going to have to imagine it. Sorry
I would guess a fair amount of us commenting here didn’t vote for trump. Even if you did he’s a bit more off the rails it seems than anyone was expecting. I think theres a fair amount of buyers remorse for those that did at this point. Of course there are the die hard cult member as well.
 
Everyone should just STFU about politics unless this is hitting them in the pockets.

So silly to try and graft opinions and politics onto things no one (with the exception of maybe @Robert ) are experiencing.
 
Everyone should just STFU
Bad take.

I get wanting to keep this board free of political talk, but, as you can see, this is affecting many people in that they are uncertain/anxious about what everything means. Folks should be free to discuss their experiences and ask advice from others. There haven’t been ad hominem attacks on members; the discussion is civil.

Beyond that, there have already been ramifications for people—maybe not in pedal-world—but people have, and will continue to be, materially affected by this course of policy.

EDIT: These decisions are very much originating with one person. This is probably as close as you’ll ever get to being able to attribute economic trends one person.
 
Everyone should just STFU about politics unless this is hitting them in the pockets.

So silly to try and graft opinions and politics onto things no one (with the exception of maybe @Robert ) are experiencing.

This is maybe the most politically tame thread on the entirety of the internet. We're literally discussing price increases from 2 of DIY pedals most dominant suppliers due to executive orders. No one has really thrown barbs, and it's obvious a lot of people are going out of their way not to.
 
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This is maybe the most politically tame thread on the entirety of the internet. We're literally discussing price increases from 2 of DIY pedals most dominant suppliers due to executive orders. No one has really thrown barbs, and it's obvious a lot of people are going out of their way not to.

Yeah, I tend to agree. It doesn't have to have to get unnecessarily political other than maybe recognizing that this is a deliberate act of sabotage on the world economy (IMHO, anyway). It's not even unpredictable market forces. It's insidious. If that's going too far then I'll keep my mouth shut from here on out.

Anyway, so from today's updates I'm gathering that there are just a few weeks left of de minimis and then everything is going off the rails with the new 104% tariff. I know for me, that's going to have a major impact. I don't know if it will shut me down completely, but it's going to be very noticeable.
 
It quite literally is what it is.

You can deal with it and move forward fiscally, to the best of your ability, or crumble under the pressure.

As with all situations like this, you never had a choice in the matter.

So there is some comfort in that realization. I didn’t vote for the guy and I stand to lose quite a bit if my fledgling business gets hammered by the upcoming tariffs.

But I’m a solutions type of guy. It’s my engineering background. I can’t help it.

I’m going to find a way to make it work, or I won’t, but I certainly am not going to go down the “woe is me” route.

The other guy won and he’s doing wild shit. This is a troubleshooting issue at the heart of it and we are all capable of finding a way to make things work.

It’s also stands to reason that we simply exercise a bit of patience and see how it shakes out.

This is fiscal brinkmanship and the full extent of it or the consequences are not a reality or have not played out yet.

Take a breath. Eat some ice cream. Drink an ice cold PBR like me and see what happens.

Could be that something does or does not happen.

There’s still some light at the end of the tunnel.

Just stop letting your political bias color your commentary on the situation. It will not help. Your opinion doesn’t matter in matters of this kind.

It never has. Learn to deal with it.
 
It quite literally is what it is.
Of course it is, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. I still think it's okay to assess the situation and voice your displeasure with it.
I think you are going about it in a pragmatic way, and that's commendable. Being solutions-focused is as much as you can do.

Your opinion doesn’t matter in matters of this kind.

It never has. Learn to deal with it.
While opinions may not change anything at the top right now, they do matter. Voices being heard matter. Also, different people handle/process difficult situations differently. Some may eat ice cream, throw back a cold one, and deal with it. Some may need to let out some steam whether it be to their friends, or on a forum full of people that have similar hobbies to them.

At the end of the day, it's true, though, that all we really have in our control is to assess and take action in the way that hopefully works out best for us individually and collectively. But it also feels good and can be comforting to feel like we're not alone, we're all in it together.
 
But it also feels good and can be comforting to feel like we're not alone, we're all in it together.

I agree and the social therapy can be a valid way to deal with the anxiety of a trying situation.

People injecting their political opinions into that exercise is selfish and opportunistic though.

Doesn’t matter how light that commentary is.
 
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