Jlcpcb and tariffs

[Robert]

As far as I'm aware there's no courier that won't charge this fee (although the amount will vary slightly between them), except potentially USPS? Others may have better info.

I've never been charged any sort of brokerage fee by USPS, but USPS has never been an available shipping method for any order large enough to have duties owed. I believe the maximum declared value for First Class International is $400, I'm not sure about priority mail.

I don't know this for certain, but it's definitely possible a $5000 order also incurs a $30 fee, at which point the $30 is a small fraction of the total order value rather than ~30%. Some on this forum may be able to speak to whether the processing fee on large order values is bigger or not.

I haven't noticed a difference in the processing fee regardless of the order amount. I do believe it will increase with the number of unique HTS line items on the customs form, but my orders are typically a single line item.

I _don't_ know whether using the cheap shipping option (Global Standard/Direct Shipping) on JLC/PCBWay means they hand over to USPS at the border.

It looks like it cleared customs before being handed off to USPS.

 

[vigilante398]

Skimming over this thread (we're now approaching 100 posts) I'm wondering if anyone has actually gotten slapped with these new charges other than Robert. I've got a Tayda order I'm looking to pull the trigger on (~$50 with shipping) and am wondering if I should look elsewhere.

I have, but not as bad. Came out to about 30% of the declared value on a JLCPCB order. I have a couple more in process right now, we'll see what happens.

I've never been charged any sort of brokerage fee by USPS

UPS is the only carrier that has charged me brokerage fees. I had a reasonably large PCB order a few months ago that I carefully kept under the $800 limit, but I got a letter from UPS informing me that while there were $0 of customs duties due they were still charging me a $40 brokerage fee. I forgot to pay it until a few weeks ago, and I got a letter yesterday charging me a $22 late fee

 

[Audandash]

While I think the results suck DONKEY DONG, I appreciate everyone for sharing what they have come across. As a hobbyist/occasional builder for others it’s makes it hard to plan costs with all the volatility. Luckily I have a lot of inventory to get me through for a while but I am not looking forward to rolling the dice on my next Tayda (love them and their service) order or PCBway order (also very pleased with the service!).

 

[AceHyzer]

104% tariffs on china to go into effect at Midnight. This just keeps getting dumber and dumber.

 

[KreoPensas]

This is an insult to dumb.

We are witnessing terrorism the way it would be done on reality TV by corporate sponsors.

 

[LukeFRC]

This is an insult to dumb.

We are witnessing terrorism the way it would be done on reality TV by corporate sponsors.

didn't the majority of you guys in the US vote for this?

It will not let me post that GIF of Homer Simpson backing into a hedge, so you're just going to have to imagine it. Sorry

 

[Locrian99]

didn't the majority of you guys in the US vote for this?

It will not let me post that GIF of Homer Simpson backing into a hedge, so you're just going to have to imagine it. Sorry

I would guess a fair amount of us commenting here didn’t vote for trump. Even if you did he’s a bit more off the rails it seems than anyone was expecting. I think theres a fair amount of buyers remorse for those that did at this point. Of course there are the die hard cult member as well.

 

[finebyfine]

didn't the majority of you guys in the US vote for this?

With our turnouts, winners of US elections are only voted for by like 30% of the voting age eligible population.

 

[LukeFRC]

With our turnouts, winners of US elections are only voted for by like 30% of the voting age eligible population.

aw man you managed! (GIF comment)

 

[benny_profane]

Everyone should just STFU

Bad take.

I get wanting to keep this board free of political talk, but, as you can see, this is affecting many people in that they are uncertain/anxious about what everything means. Folks should be free to discuss their experiences and ask advice from others. There haven’t been ad hominem attacks on members; the discussion is civil.

Beyond that, there have already been ramifications for people—maybe not in pedal-world—but people have, and will continue to be, materially affected by this course of policy.

EDIT: These decisions are very much originating with one person. This is probably as close as you’ll ever get to being able to attribute economic trends one person.

 

[finebyfine]

Everyone should just STFU about politics unless this is hitting them in the pockets.

So silly to try and graft opinions and politics onto things no one (with the exception of maybe @Robert ) are experiencing.

This is maybe the most politically tame thread on the entirety of the internet. We're literally discussing price increases from 2 of DIY pedals most dominant suppliers due to executive orders. No one has really thrown barbs, and it's obvious a lot of people are going out of their way not to.

 

[bean]

This is maybe the most politically tame thread on the entirety of the internet. We're literally discussing price increases from 2 of DIY pedals most dominant suppliers due to executive orders. No one has really thrown barbs, and it's obvious a lot of people are going out of their way not to.

Yeah, I tend to agree. It doesn't have to have to get unnecessarily political other than maybe recognizing that this is a deliberate act of sabotage on the world economy (IMHO, anyway). It's not even unpredictable market forces. It's insidious. If that's going too far then I'll keep my mouth shut from here on out.

Anyway, so from today's updates I'm gathering that there are just a few weeks left of de minimis and then everything is going off the rails with the new 104% tariff. I know for me, that's going to have a major impact. I don't know if it will shut me down completely, but it's going to be very noticeable.

 

[AceHyzer]

It quite literally is what it is.

Of course it is, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. I still think it's okay to assess the situation and voice your displeasure with it.
I think you are going about it in a pragmatic way, and that's commendable. Being solutions-focused is as much as you can do.

Your opinion doesn’t matter in matters of this kind.

It never has. Learn to deal with it.

While opinions may not change anything at the top right now, they do matter. Voices being heard matter. Also, different people handle/process difficult situations differently. Some may eat ice cream, throw back a cold one, and deal with it. Some may need to let out some steam whether it be to their friends, or on a forum full of people that have similar hobbies to them.

At the end of the day, it's true, though, that all we really have in our control is to assess and take action in the way that hopefully works out best for us individually and collectively. But it also feels good and can be comforting to feel like we're not alone, we're all in it together.

 

[Locrian99]

Curious if hugo will be adding country of origin to product descriptions. I’d think he’d just about have to.

 

[jessenator]

This is probably a stupid question: based on what I've read, the timeline for duties and tariffs are based on the date which a parcel landing stateside, not based on the order/billing/ship-out date. Is this correct?

 

[drgonzo1969]

Just got a delivery from jlcpcb today. No tariffs. Order placed on 3/26.

Edit: global standard direct shipping

 

[Nostradoomus]

This is probably a stupid question: based on what I've read, the timeline for duties and tariffs are based on the date which a parcel landing stateside, not based on the order/billing/ship-out date. Is this correct?

it also depends on how a couple certain bird brains feel that day

 

[LukeFRC]

It’s not all crazy, there’s good logic in removing the minimum value before tarrifs apply - but while it’s good for the economy in total it’s not so great for hobby pedal builders.
I imagine what will end up happening is something like for me over in UK where it's simpler and not much more to buy from an importer/reseller like Musikding than lots individuals going to Tayda.

 

[finebyfine]

It’s not all crazy, there’s good logic in removing the minimum value before tarrifs apply

There is, but the administrative costs of removing de minimis have been projected to be more than it would bring in - although the estimates I’ve seen are based on the 34% rate. But the obvious reason it’s being removed is for the chilling effect it’ll have on Chinese direct-to-consumer e-commerce companies. Whether we agree on that and its consequences being a good thing or not, that’s really the only point of it.

 

[LukeFRC]

There is, but the administrative costs of removing de minimis have been projected to be more than it would bring in - although the estimates I’ve seen are based on the 34% rate. But the obvious reason it’s being removed is for the chilling effect it’ll have on Chinese direct-to-consumer e-commerce companies. Whether we agree on that and its consequences being a good thing or not, that’s really the only point of it.

I was trying to pull out positives!
It is a pain when it comes to our specialist electrical components, but not more broadly. Even if it costs more to do it at the border if the spend on clothes switched from disposable stuff from some gamefied e-commerce shop to shop at the mall that and the Keynesian multipliers will be end up costing less. In the UK is even more of an effect as the imports avoid VAT (our blanket sales tax).