joelorigo
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So an order sometime last year the order wouldn’t have had the “Custom duties & taxes” $56.89 line item?
Jlcpcb and tariffs
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Big Monk
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Right. That's new.
Tayda is handling it a little differently, as they don't provide a separate line item but are rolling it into shipping. Which makes sense because I imagine that is the duty they need to pay prior to shipping into the USA.
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derevaun
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US consumers can pay the tariff on delivery, with an added broker's fee to the carrier, or we can pay it in advance, rolled into the shipping charges at origin, without that broker's fee.
Neither Tayda, nor Thailand, nor DHL, nor any other rhetorical straw man, is ultimately responsible for payment of the new tariffs. They offer DDP as a service, to make it easier for us as customers. It's a simple but important distinction.
Neither Tayda, nor Thailand, nor DHL, nor any other rhetorical straw man, is ultimately responsible for payment of the new tariffs. They offer DDP as a service, to make it easier for us as customers. It's a simple but important distinction.
darwin999
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Exactly.
Let's look at some cases in point.
The Federal Reserve did a very detailed analysis of Trump's aluminum tariffs from 2016-2020, looking at the impact on manufacturing and skilled American jobs. America imports a lot of aluminum from Canada. The reason why is that aluminum takes a large amount of energy to make, and Canada has a lot of low-cost hydropower - so they can make it at lower cost than we can. What the Fed analysis found was, indeed, there was a small increase in US jobs in aluminum smelting due to the tariffs. However, the Fed also found that there was a larger loss of US manufacturing jobs, because the higher aluminum prices hurt manufacturers that used aluminum as a raw material in their product - they lost sales because their product was now more expensive and less competitive against foreign producers. THE END RESULT OF THE FED's ANALYSIS WAS THAT THERE WAS A NET JOB LOSS FROM TRUMP'S TARIFFS. Coincidentally, it was noted that US smelters did not ramp up their production to take significant market share from foreign makers, they instead preferred to raise their prices and pocket the higher profits.
Think about that over your coffee... Brazil, the world's largest coffee grower now faces 50% tariffs for importing coffee to the US. Yet outside of small pockets in Hawaii, the US does not have the climate to grow coffee. So the net result is much higher coffee prices, w/ no possibility of large increases in US coffee production. Oh, and now Brazil will now shift their coffee export focus to China, so that if the tariffs are ever reduced it may be tough to persuade Brazil to ship coffee again to the US...
Normally, countries take several years to make trade treaties precisely because of this point - there are a lot of important details to work through to make things work. Blanket tariffs are just a losing proposition.
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jimilee
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Pretty sure Trump doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
jessenator
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It's all part of this weird plan; partly a shortcut to cowboy diplomacy, partly bullying world powers, posturing. Some of it's 2025, some of it may well be something on the horizon. Maybe inevitable conflict and wanting to shore up domestic whatevers. But I'm not in poly-sci. I'm---we're---looking at the short term hurt it's putting on small businesses, the strange coerced groveling of big businesses. It's all just... what was the word that got thrown around in '24? Weird. It's weird.
Robert
Reverse Engineer
Just a heads up... I'm not surprised, but was curious to know how this would be handled.... Now I know. 
If you have a PCB assembled by JLCPCB but require a component that has to sourced from the USA (Mouser, or your own parts shipped to JLCPCB, for example) the cost of that component will be factored into the import duties... even if you've already paid for the component.
So if, hypothetically speaking, you were to have $1300 worth of THAT4305 IC's shipped to JLCPCB to be soldered onto PCBs you would have to pay an additional ~$750 in tariffs when those IC's come back into the USA.
The real kicker is that it doesn't matter if the component was manufactured in the USA (which THAT semiconductors surprisingly are), you pay the Chinese tariff rate for the entire assembly.
If you have a PCB assembled by JLCPCB but require a component that has to sourced from the USA (Mouser, or your own parts shipped to JLCPCB, for example) the cost of that component will be factored into the import duties... even if you've already paid for the component.
So if, hypothetically speaking, you were to have $1300 worth of THAT4305 IC's shipped to JLCPCB to be soldered onto PCBs you would have to pay an additional ~$750 in tariffs when those IC's come back into the USA.
The real kicker is that it doesn't matter if the component was manufactured in the USA (which THAT semiconductors surprisingly are), you pay the Chinese tariff rate for the entire assembly.
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I think that’s because it’s done on where the value is created.Just a heads up... I'm not surprised, but was curious to know how this would be handled.... Now I know.
If you have a PCB assembled by JLCPCB but require a component that has to sourced from the USA (Mouser, or your own parts shipped to JLCPCB, for example) the cost of that component will be factored into the import duties... even if you've already paid for the component.
So if, hypothetically speaking, you were to have $1300 worth of THAT4305 IC's shipped to JLCPCB to be soldered onto PCBs you would have to pay an additional ~$750 in tariffs when those IC's come back into the USA.
The real kicker is that it doesn't matter if the component was manufactured in the USA (which THAT semiconductors surprisingly are), you pay the Chinese tariff rate for the entire assembly.
So if imported a load of pcb and components from China and then sold them via a web store straight into the US from the lower tarrif U.K. where I am, it would still be due the chinese tarriff as that’s where the goods value was created.
However if I bundled the pcb and parts up into a kit, made a nice packaging or something, and added my time into the costs I could quickly make it that the majority of the value/costs were here in the U.K. and the kit could come in at the U.K. rate.
It’s a big problem in the automotive sector, with ICE vehicles the value is obviously in the manufacturing- but for an EV the battery is the main cost - so you could have a U.K. made car but if over 50% of the value is in the Chinese made battery you get issues.
(Not insurmountable issues, we could change the rules, or make more batteries here in the U.K. the current answer seems to be close the factory and buy the whole car from China)
