giovanni
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Bless your heart!
Jlcpcb and tariffs
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I meant there's nothing wrong with the concept of a tax that's passed onto the consumer. In the case of the current US tariffs... it's a shocking shambles when a supposedly democratic system with checks and balances SO quickly gets taken apart so some self proclaimed king apply capricious egocentric tarriffs on countries at his own whim and supposedly able to be flattered to lower numbers by personal gifts and promises. It's bad democracy and it's bad economics that will just hurt the American population more than anything - and it won't work, because now the whole world has realised - you can't rely on the dollar, and you know what the US isn't actually going to support the ecconomic and defence systems it's carefully built for the last 70 years - so they will go elsewhere... thats why you saw china and india come to a recent agreement... oh and cut all your soft power and dismantle USAID while you're about it... and so what if your main friend in the Middle East based their health system on it... but of course that soft power didn't have a dollar value so the man child couldn't count it... and lets not even get started on the omnishambles of betraying Ukraine and silently allowing genocide in Palestine...
But wahoo tarriffs - make America great again... gerrymander the majority, and onshore the jobs in that factory that doesn't exist, with the workers you've not trained and oh shit, the raw materials for your good old USA rugby googles are now under a 50% tariff - and you can't get them anyway - because when USAID pulled out the Chinese stepped in exchange for the raw ingredients. Woop do doo.
And in this wonderful democracy, we now have the joy that if I ever visited on a tourist visa I would get stopped by immigration asked about this post on pedalPCB, and locked up for days/weeks without contact with anyone for no other reason than we all learned in school/starwars an authoritarian state doesn't work without an 'other' that can live in fear....
I agree with you
I cant imagine Europeans claiming that because of tariffs the US is paying what Europeans are used to.
Theoretically within a democracy you can choose to give it up for a autocrazy.
pricklyrobot
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My country is a roaring dumpster fire and I wonāt have anyone say otherwise!
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BuddytheReow
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At least you picked up the $9 discount, lol
joelorigo
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So an order sometime last year the order wouldnāt have had the āCustom duties & taxesā $56.89 line item?
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derevaun
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US consumers can pay the tariff on delivery, with an added broker's fee to the carrier, or we can pay it in advance, rolled into the shipping charges at origin, without that broker's fee.
Neither Tayda, nor Thailand, nor DHL, nor any other rhetorical straw man, is ultimately responsible for payment of the new tariffs. They offer DDP as a service, to make it easier for us as customers. It's a simple but important distinction.
Neither Tayda, nor Thailand, nor DHL, nor any other rhetorical straw man, is ultimately responsible for payment of the new tariffs. They offer DDP as a service, to make it easier for us as customers. It's a simple but important distinction.
darwin999
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Exactly.
Let's look at some cases in point.
The Federal Reserve did a very detailed analysis of Trump's aluminum tariffs from 2016-2020, looking at the impact on manufacturing and skilled American jobs. America imports a lot of aluminum from Canada. The reason why is that aluminum takes a large amount of energy to make, and Canada has a lot of low-cost hydropower - so they can make it at lower cost than we can. What the Fed analysis found was, indeed, there was a small increase in US jobs in aluminum smelting due to the tariffs. However, the Fed also found that there was a larger loss of US manufacturing jobs, because the higher aluminum prices hurt manufacturers that used aluminum as a raw material in their product - they lost sales because their product was now more expensive and less competitive against foreign producers. THE END RESULT OF THE FED's ANALYSIS WAS THAT THERE WAS A NET JOB LOSS FROM TRUMP'S TARIFFS. Coincidentally, it was noted that US smelters did not ramp up their production to take significant market share from foreign makers, they instead preferred to raise their prices and pocket the higher profits.
Think about that over your coffee... Brazil, the world's largest coffee grower now faces 50% tariffs for importing coffee to the US. Yet outside of small pockets in Hawaii, the US does not have the climate to grow coffee. So the net result is much higher coffee prices, w/ no possibility of large increases in US coffee production. Oh, and now Brazil will now shift their coffee export focus to China, so that if the tariffs are ever reduced it may be tough to persuade Brazil to ship coffee again to the US...
Normally, countries take several years to make trade treaties precisely because of this point - there are a lot of important details to work through to make things work. Blanket tariffs are just a losing proposition.
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jimilee
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Pretty sure Trump doesnāt understand how tariffs work.
jessenator
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It's all part of this weird plan; partly a shortcut to cowboy diplomacy, partly bullying world powers, posturing. Some of it's 2025, some of it may well be something on the horizon. Maybe inevitable conflict and wanting to shore up domestic whatevers. But I'm not in poly-sci. I'm---we're---looking at the short term hurt it's putting on small businesses, the strange coerced groveling of big businesses. It's all just... what was the word that got thrown around in '24? Weird. It's weird.
Robert
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Just a heads up... I'm not surprised, but was curious to know how this would be handled.... Now I know. 
If you have a PCB assembled by JLCPCB but require a component that has to sourced from the USA (Mouser, or your own parts shipped to JLCPCB, for example) the cost of that component will be factored into the import duties... even if you've already paid for the component.
So if, hypothetically speaking, you were to have $1300 worth of THAT4305 IC's shipped to JLCPCB to be soldered onto PCBs you would have to pay an additional ~$750 in tariffs when those IC's come back into the USA.
The real kicker is that it doesn't matter if the component was manufactured in the USA (which THAT semiconductors surprisingly are), you pay the Chinese tariff rate for the entire assembly.
If you have a PCB assembled by JLCPCB but require a component that has to sourced from the USA (Mouser, or your own parts shipped to JLCPCB, for example) the cost of that component will be factored into the import duties... even if you've already paid for the component.
So if, hypothetically speaking, you were to have $1300 worth of THAT4305 IC's shipped to JLCPCB to be soldered onto PCBs you would have to pay an additional ~$750 in tariffs when those IC's come back into the USA.
The real kicker is that it doesn't matter if the component was manufactured in the USA (which THAT semiconductors surprisingly are), you pay the Chinese tariff rate for the entire assembly.
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I think thatās because itās done on where the value is created.Just a heads up... I'm not surprised, but was curious to know how this would be handled.... Now I know.
If you have a PCB assembled by JLCPCB but require a component that has to sourced from the USA (Mouser, or your own parts shipped to JLCPCB, for example) the cost of that component will be factored into the import duties... even if you've already paid for the component.
So if, hypothetically speaking, you were to have $1300 worth of THAT4305 IC's shipped to JLCPCB to be soldered onto PCBs you would have to pay an additional ~$750 in tariffs when those IC's come back into the USA.
The real kicker is that it doesn't matter if the component was manufactured in the USA (which THAT semiconductors surprisingly are), you pay the Chinese tariff rate for the entire assembly.
So if imported a load of pcb and components from China and then sold them via a web store straight into the US from the lower tarrif U.K. where I am, it would still be due the chinese tarriff as thatās where the goods value was created.
However if I bundled the pcb and parts up into a kit, made a nice packaging or something, and added my time into the costs I could quickly make it that the majority of the value/costs were here in the U.K. and the kit could come in at the U.K. rate.
Itās a big problem in the automotive sector, with ICE vehicles the value is obviously in the manufacturing- but for an EV the battery is the main cost - so you could have a U.K. made car but if over 50% of the value is in the Chinese made battery you get issues.
(Not insurmountable issues, we could change the rules, or make more batteries here in the U.K. the current answer seems to be close the factory and buy the whole car from China)
Locrian99
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Yea ive got an od i just got the layout done for. Going to order it and a few other things then probably not foe awhile
Aleph Null
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Wasn't there just a ruling that the tariffs were unconstitutional? Do we have to wait for an appeal to get to the supreme court before they stop charging them?
benny_profane
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The tariffs put forth as responses to various āemergenciesā are citing IEEPA, which lower courts said was an overreach. Those are still in place as the appeals process plays out. Oral arguments start on November 5th at SCOTUS.
This latest tariff is said to be in response to trade practices. The lower court ruling was pretty narrow, so this will be liable to challenge, but I donāt think the IEEPA case will apply here.
jimilee
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Ahhh dammit. I saw that but didnāt even think about PCBs.
